Our days on sourceforge may be numbered

Move the old ISO's / projects off to a ad / link / sponsor supported archive someplace.

do not allow the file download via ftp / wget (use popup's to hide the file location)
choke the download speed, offer to increase the speed for a small Paypal donation (link to different location).

this way the folks who want will pay for the hosting.

Interesting idea Bubba, would that piss anyone off? I would really like to hear from a number of people on this.

We may be able to work something out hosting it at our data center as long as it is limited to archival images.

Storage abounds, bandwidth has a cost however we usually have excess.

Scott

This is what most file hosting site do.

just set up a slower speed server 100k or what ever and then set the real speed ones for 5m or what not for a small donation to the TB project.

that way the TB team will have some of the precious $$$ that you need to keep servers alive and devs pumping out more code!

this will also cut back on point less downloads and traffic from people that just are too lazy to dig though there cds for the iso they downloaded yesterday.

I put up an archive of the trixbox files, and even extended it so it supported HTTP, FTP, and rSync, and I see very very little traffic. Which can get gotten at ftp://trixbox.leadmon.net/trixbox or at http://trixbox.leadmon.net/ftp/trixbox/ for any interested. As I sit on multiple GigE links in a hosting center (as we run video/images) I didn't even impose any type of limits on speed or downloads, as nobody has even scratched the surface on my connectivity. Kerry, if you would like me to also keep older key archives I can do that, I was just trying to keep the listing uncluttered so it wasn't hard to make sense out of for available code for most users.

I guess what has been said in the above replies is true, a lot of places are offering subscription download services, but I for one would hate to see trixbox end up as something where you would need to pay to be able to download it, or get stuck having to download it in bits and pieces and have to wait hours between getting each part. I have to say on more than one occasion I have wanted something on such a site, and just found it so damn annoying that I said to hell with the item, and looked for an alternative. I think putting trixbox in the position of people having to endure a painful process to get the images would be a bad thing all around.

Kerry, on the idea of having mirrors, I think that is a great way to go, look at distributions like Linux, BSD, and so on. They setup a master mirror, and through the various supporters of the project they have dozens of mirrors provided around the globe that do a fantastic job of getting out the code. As I am pretty much already doing this in a manual way, I would happily support such and effort if it were put into place, or would even be happy to hold the images for other mirrors to retrieve. As I don't want to see the project held back because the code is a total pain to get. Why I thought the rSync idea was nice, it allowed people to get the stuff without the tedious full ISO transfer if desired, and I can only hope that providing this has helped some..

Regards, Howard

Howard,

That sounds great. We have one 100Mbps BGP link and another that we pay for 20Mbps and can burst to 40.

I would certainly support the project as a mirror site.

The only idea I would ever oppose would be any type of peer arrangement (IE: Bit Torrent).

Scott

i dont think to get the images in paid sites or with limiting bandwidth would be a very good idea...just think and look in the download rate for images, with the latest events, the registry pl infamous script episode, the future posibly fork of free pbx and now the posibility of limitng bandwidth to posibly future users....
Lately the image rate download is decreasing in time and of course this would posibly in the future means the inevitable end of trix ce.
IMHO, i really ask to you guys that at all costs try to get the images free of charge, not for me, but for the vast majority of the other people who doesnt understand the reasons as we may do (people who thinks as open source soft to be always free).
Ing. Fernando M. Villares Terán
Intelix Communications

commercial webhosting is so cheap these days...
yahoo hosting offers unlimited
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting/hosting.php?p=YWH25GOBI...

i dont know if hosting images would violate their tos

two below are viable.. the first is 50 bucks a month for 1tb of bandwidth, 10gb of space... ISO = 700mb, can keep 13 of them.
1tb = 1300 downloads...

http://file-services.com/premium-file-hosting-services/
http://www.fileburst.com/pricing.html

id pay 5 bucks for a premium high speed download of major releases; not for each ISO

This may have been a false alarm. Sourceforge recently changed how you upload new images and the instructions were a little unclear and I eventually figured it out. I think the problem was that two ISOs ended up in my personal home directory instead of the upload directory causing my "home directory" quota to go over the limit. I am still investigating this but I think that may be the issue.

Heck Kerry, why not support a mirror system.. I could be wrong, just seems like overall it would work very well, and even the sourceforge stuff is still all tied around the old AAH stuff, down to old forums postings and so on that just really aren't applicable to the current project anymore. I am just guessing it would work a lot better, but that's my .02c for what it's worth..

I think you would find you could have a nice distribution method setup, that pretty much wouldn't cost the CE project a dime, as the users of CE would support it..

What I like about mirrors is the distributed model and finding sources that are the fastest for different people to download from.

What I dont like is that it makes it very hard to manage download statistics.

I would not have minded the exposure for hosting the mirror either :-) Could be good for business!

Actually Kerry, you could easily get stats from people I am sure if you asked, if you recall I offered you access to the stats from my site before if you were interested. I can't speak for anyone else, but I sure don't see the issue in giving you access to such stats. If you got stats from say a half dozen other sites, worse case you just need to use (or make) a log analyzer that will much it all together and give you totals. Sure with you perl wizards you have access to, that is no big deal at all..

Hehe, on the issue of fastest, I had fun trying the different SF sites to see which would give me the fastest transfers, as I have full open GigE links, so a good fast site should send me an ISO in moments. To me at least, the best I got was the AZ site, it would truck along at about 20meg/sec, which for sure wasn't terrible by any means, but I'd of loved to have tried an xfer with something that could have pumped a couple hundred meg/sec to me.. Anyway your point of picking the best site for the given user is for sure a good reason behind multiple mirrors.

If you just provide a master we could rSync from, it would be painless to have us check your site say once an hour for any updates if you liked, so stuff would propagate easily when there were new bits...

I can't speak to the hosting situation, but you guys should be distributing trixbox via BitTorrent.

If you post the torrent to a few power users a few days before general distribution we can download the distro, and act as peers for distribution. Then, when your distro goes live there are already 20-50 pre-seeded torrents out there to lighten the load on your primary host.

Peace!

We would have zero tracking of downloads with bittorrent.

Seems to me how many copies downloaded is insignificant to the number installed.

I routinely download the same ISO because I need it to burn another CD, and rather than save a copy on my hard drive I simply download it again... or sometimes I need a CD someplace else.

My point is... downloads don't translate into installs necessarily, and is therefore not a particularly useful metric to track.

Kerry
please to not go to torrents they SUCK!!!
the downloads are just fine.

Downloads is, and always has been, a very important number for us to track. While you may have downloaded several copies of the same CD and others have done many installs with the same download the average per month is a valuable indicator to us.

and torrents can be tracked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_tracker

Not to mention that since you guys are the only people posting the .torrent file you could still track the number of times that particular file was downloaded which in turn initiates a download to the person who uses it.

I think you should use this as an option (even if you keep traditional downloads) since rpotthoff is quite wrong in his broad generalization of BitTorrent. BitTorrent is an effective tool for the efficient high speed distribution of files.

Hosting at Google Code seems a good option.
You don't have to use all their features/bug tracking/wikis, as they explain in the FAQ, and can use a mixture of your own web pages and theirs
Seems simple enough.
http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/FAQ

Google Code is limited to 20mb uploads

20mb heck that won't do! - sorry! I did look for limits in the faq before posting- all I found was "email us if you reach our limits"

20mb ! that ought to cover the log files ;)

Kerry
How much space do you need?
How much bandwidth?

We don't need any if we have the issues with sourceforge worked out.

No Problem if you don't get it worked out let me know and I will see what i can do for you.
I have a hosting partner.

I am not too familiar with what is required to be a "mirror", but we are in process of opening a few racks in multiple datacenters. We should have some storage and bandwidth to help out, to make TBOX available to the masses. If someone could point me in the right direction, for getting some tech info, on how to be a mirror, and so on, we would be happy to help.

Darren
it@dialresults.com