100 wifi voip phones with trixbox

edufermat
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2009-09-17

Hi people! Im new here and a trully novice with the trixbox/VoIP stuff... Im planning to build a VoIP System using A server running trixbox to provide communication to about 100 users in a local area network. All the Radio system (Wireless) is already designed as that's my especiality, but i got some doubts recently about trixbox and its support for 100 users where all of them may probably make simultaneous calls. Is it possible to do such thing using trixbox and a high performances professional server (hardware)?

By the way im planning to use for telephones the Cisco WIP300 wireless-G IP phones, And i plan to communicate users by voice only, no text or further.

I hope to hear from you soon!

Greetings

Edward



eeknz
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2006-08-13
My experience with any WiFi

My experience with any WiFi phones has been bad. People get a 'cordless' phone and expect it will perform like a WDECT, which it just doesn't in my experience. They will quickly go behind a cabinet or too far away and it will drop out.
You may have done some kind of magic with your WiFi, but the thought of 5 WiFi phones fighting for bandwidth is frightening enough. 100 blows my mind.
I'd be looking for a DECT based phone with SIP base station like the Snom.



stechnique
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2008-02-21
Ditto, 100 users on 1 server

Ditto, 100 users on 1 server is easy, but WiFi phones are usually a bad idea, 100 of them will probably turn into a nightmare...
Also consider bandwidth for your 100 users, if 50 of them are on the phone at the same time you need to make sure you can support that bandwidth (with SIP or IAX if that's what you're doing).



awebster
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2007-01-29
It should work

I don't know what WiFi phones edufermat is proposing in his project as I didn't get into details, but I can say with certainty that there are WiFi voice solutions out there that do work with hundreds of users, Motorola TEAM is one that I am aware of, there is however a gateway component that the WiFi phones talk to before the VoIP traffic ever hits Trixbox. From Trixbox's standpoint it is no diffferent than having 100 deskphones, so I see no reason why it wouldn't work.

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SkykingOH
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2007-12-17
All this talk of wireless

All this talk of wireless capacity and you did not even ask him how many access points he is running.

It's probably a Cisco or Nortel wireless with a central controller and mobility management between the AP's

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edufermat
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2009-09-17
im running a motorola

im running a motorola motomesh duo plattform so i can warranty excelent QOS, more than 1MBPS bandwith, VPN support and 36dbm of trasmission power, So the quality of the wireless network is not a problem, im just concerned about the reliability of a server running trixbox 2.6.2 to give service to 100 phones with probably simultaneos calls on all of them. Im managing to get a -quad core 8gb ram- server... so hardware is not a problem neither.

it's important to notice that im only trying to make a voice link and no further options...

let me know what you think now...

Thanks

edward



SkykingOH
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2007-12-17
The motomesh stuff is very

The motomesh stuff is very nice. We have an older Motorola Canopy network.

The problem is not trixbox. Asterisk, the core of trixbox scales very well and is a commercially viable soft switch. THe problem to me is an ISO 'PBX on a disk' an appropriate choice. My comment would be the same for any distro.

Is this a resale environment? Even if it is not with 100 users you need to be able to fix problems so you should know the core Linux, MySQL, Asterisk and FreePBX admin. These are the packages that make up trixbox.

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awebster
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2007-01-29
you're right

Sky,

The number of access points is actually quite a critical component, but he did say that his speciality is WiFi, so I am assuming that he knows what he is doing.
My personal preference would be a Motorola wireless network, but my opinion is biased since I am certified on their equipment. That being said, the Motorola equipment will handle 10 SIP calls per AP.
As for knowing Linux, MySQL and all the backend stuff, I agree 100% with you.

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joshpatten
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2007-01-20
sipX could handle this

sipX could handle this easily and in my opinion is much easier to manage than asterisk or trix.

http://www.sipfoundry.org



edufermat
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Member Since:
2009-09-17
what do you mean with 10 sip

what do you mean with 10 sip calls per AP? what kind of motorola AP are you talking about?

i already acquired the motomesh-duo AIP4300-2R to work as an IAP for the application... it's said to have great support for VoIP traffic. But i still have doubts because it's the first time that i work with VoIP over WiFi, and it's clearly not the same as data traffic.

Thanks for the help until now... hope to get more opinions soon...

Edward



awebster
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2007-01-29
Motorola has several wifi technologies

Edufermat,

Motorola has several WiFi technologies, acquired through mergers with other firms.
The WiFi that I am familiar with is what was formerly known as Symbol Technologies. They were founding members of the 802.11 committee, so they know without a doubt what they're doing.
I have not worked with any of the Motomesh stuff, but can say from my contacts at Motorola that these two technologies are eventually going to share the same code base.
In the meantime, the former Symbol stuff, now called Motorola Enterprise Mobility, consists of Access Ports and wireless Switches (I prefer to call them antenna controllers).
802.11a/g/n are all available in this product range, along with wireless switches that manage from 6 to thousands of APs in campus networks.
Symbol equipment was frequently used to back haul Spectralink (now owned by Polycom) voip phones, which have been around for years. Unfortunately, the spectralink stuff uses a proprietary protocol called SVP.
Either way, Motorola brings much to the table:

  1. Unparalleled RF knowledge
  2. Standards setting
  3. Voice knowledge from the cell and analog radio spectrum
  4. Cheaper than equivalent Cisco gear

Their wireless products include:
WS2000 - entry level wireless switch 1-6 APs
RFS6000 - mid-level wireless switch 8-48 APs
RFS7000 - high-end wireless switch 8-256 APs
Both the RFS6000 and 7000 can be clustered to scale to thousands of APs.

AP300 - lightweight AP 802.11a/g
AP5131 - thick AP 802.11a/g single or dual radio
AP7131 - thick AP 802.11a/g/n tri radio AP, with optional GSM backhaul capability.

This isn't dlink or linksys, this is the real deal. Read more about it here:
http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles/Business/US-EN/EnterpriseMobi...
And more about Converged Enterprise Communications (TEAM) here:
http://www.motorola.com/team/

Okay that just sounded like a plug for Motorola, apologies to the moderators, but the stuff just works and I could go on for hours. In case you haven't figured it out, I am authorized reseller.

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SkykingOH
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2007-12-17
Motorola also knows a bit

Motorola also knows a bit about SIP and 3GPP. I spent 5 years at Motorola in the soft switch group after they bought out Winphoria Networks who I was working for at the time.

I was a Senior Engineer in the group, we where very active in the IETF and 3GPP working groups.

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todubiyi
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2009-03-12
Ditto, 100 users on 1 server

I really would want to approach this issue from a technical standpoint.

Trixbox CE will conveniently handle more than 100 SIP phones from a single server. Right or Wrong?
Therefore if bandwidth Engineering is done appropriately on the Wifi APs, there is no reason whatsoever why you cannot run just 100 Wifi SIP phones off a Trixbox server. From my experience in Wireless technologies, a major issue that many people take for and granted (or maybe they are deceived by the manufacturers marketing gimmick of "54Mbps Available") and which ultimately spell doom for their network performance is the real bandwidth throughput available on any Access Point (AP). I noticed in one of the submissions above where somebody said the AP has a bandwidth of 1Mbps available (correct me if I'm wrong); and you would want to run 100 Wifi phones off this; this definitely will not work.

Lets assume that each phone will require a bandwidth of about 96kbps (signaling + voice payload) for an G.711 codec (lower with a G.729 codec), this gives you an idea of the kind of AP you will select for this requirement. It then means that you will have to look for an AP that will deliver up to 18Mbps effective throughput at any instance, to be able to achieve this goal. However, for such extension capacity, it is advisable to implement redundancy in the AP deployment.

Regards to you all

Tunde



Yippz
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Member Since:
2009-11-03
New Wifi Phones That Will Work

Eeknz is right -- the wifi phones of the past simply don't work well. However, we've got a new wifi phone works exceptionally in high traffic environments, like hospitals where there are several of our phones in use on the same AP, literally right beside each other.

The SC-6060S is a 4oz wifi phone with tons of features like super long battery life, 4 sip settings, 6 AP settiings, 10 ip surveillance points and more.

Check the specs at > http://www.yippz.com/index.php/ip-phones/sc-6060s-wifi-phone.html

We welcome questions and comments...



jdwebcc
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2006-09-27
Trix will fly

Well going back to the original post and questions -- the guy stated clearly that he knows wireless.. so no need to question him on that part.

His question of whether Trixbox can handle 100 SIP clients and the possibility of 100 concurrent calls.. easily if you have a descent box.. like a dual core CPU with 2 GIG of ram and say a 160 GIG sata drive.. no problem.

My questions would be more on the delivery side... how are you terminating these calls? Because 100 concurrent calls will take a good size pipe if it is VOIP... and if your considering running g729 I would run the hardware card for transcoding.

A box with that much configuration going on - I would definitely back it up every night. If you need help with this just let me know as it is a snap and takes like a minute to configure. If you have a simple hosting account that most people do - you can FTP the backup zip file to the root of your account (this is the folder below your public_html folder on most providers) to store the backups.

The other suggestion made was SipXecs -- which can handle a far large number of concurrent calls simply by design it does not deal with the RTP audio side of the calls.. it basically gives both legs to the endpoints to manager... now it don't play so well behind NAT but it sounds like this is all going to be on the same subnet so you won't have that problem. SipXecs basically only setups and breaks down the calls.. meaning the same box suggested above will handled several fold more calls because it is less involved in the actual call.

If you need any help just let me help.. free consulting.

JD

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