The Future Of trixbox?

Astrosmurfer
Posts: 643
Member Since:
2009-12-28

I saw a recent post asking for SMS functionality in trixbox and it got me thinking. I'm of two minds on the request; on one hand I'm tempted to think that trixbox doesn't need SMS but, on the other I can see where it would be useful. But, the question reminds me that Google Voice already has this feature.

In fact, Google Voice has a lot of features that trixbox lacks and will need to have in order to stay relevant. More than SMS, it seems like trixbox' video capabilities are severely lacking and with a sort of video renaissance going on with offerings from Apple, Cisco, Google, Skype, et al; trixbox is looking increasingly stodgy.

It seems to me that Google is "moments" away from releasing some sort of corporate Google Voice offering, like its Google Apps, that will make trixbox and certainly Fonality utterly redundant. Cheap, hosted, VoIP PBX with all the features of old plus voicemail transcription, SMS, video, tight email integration, mobile tie in via Android and lots more. The more I think about it the more of a slam dunk it seems to be. Naturally, there will be sites that feel they are too large for a hosted environment but, those could be served by an on site appliance. Google already has such a thing in its enterprise indexing product. It's only a question of whether Google wants to do it or not.

Now, I realize that today, Google Voice doesn't have any SIP capability. But, you'd have to be blind to not see how easily it could be added. A SIP integration into the existing Google Voice infrastructure would be trivial, if it doesn't already exist. Remember, there is the Gizmo acquisition, a SIP service that Google bought that is mostly silent right now. Even if Google didn't directly integrate it, you could easily pair an external SIP server with the existing Google Voice service.

The more I think about it, the more fatalistic I feel about trixbox, Fonality, and even Asterisk. So, what are the thoughts of you others in the community? Am I crazy? Am I missing something or, is Google Voice a real threat to trixbox and even our livelihood?



415eric
Posts: 416
Member Since:
2009-10-29
I think a certain amount o

I think a certain amount o companies will move to Google but I don't think it is that dramatic. My clients use my systems not because of the system itself but for the support provided. My clients know if something is broken they can call or email and one of our techs will get back to them.

Have you ever tried getting support from Google? My company is a Google Apps reseller. I have times where I requested support and I didn't hear back from their techs for a week. The same goes for a lot a large VOIP providers. I had an issue with Ring Central where one of the phones at a client had poor call quality. Their "tech" wanted me to make changes to the firewall that would not have fixed the issue. When I said it was a waste of time and it would not change a thing, he said "If you know so much why are you calling for support?" and hung up. I could rant about the hours I have spent on the phone with Speakeasy VOIP support or maybe the hours I have spent on the phone with Packet8.

In end I don't think another big name VOIP provider is going to change a thing, at least for me. My company never has and never will be the cheapest VOIP provider, that has and never will be our goal. We focus on support and only take on clients that care about the support and service over price. If you focus on price and get the clients that main focus is price you will not have loyal clients.

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andrew
Posts: 1472
Member Since:
2006-05-30
Funny you should mention

Funny you should mention that. Fonality just launched a fully hosted PBX called Fonality Connect. It has full PBX functionally, the best find me follow me in the business, SMS, plus everything the Google voice has accept voice mail to text (I've never found that to work all that well). It also includes unlimited outbound and inbound calls to the US and Europe. Oh yes and you get a Polycom phone all for $29 a month with no contract. You don't have to feel fatalistic about Fonality we are leading the industry and it would take Google quite a while to catch up. Also can you imagine Google giveing you a phone an supporting it? I don't think so.

Fonality will be around to support the CE project for years to come. There will always be a need for CE. CE can do SMS with some addon products and it has good support for video phones. But the most important thing about CE is you can hack it. Every day I am amazed at the functionality people build into CE from an IVR that supports credit card validation to a paging system on oil drilling rigs. CE has been customized in ways that Google Voice or even Fonality paid products never could be.

Google Voice is a very cool technology but It won't replace a truly open platform with trixbox and Asterisk.



joshpatten
Posts: 733
Member Since:
2007-01-20
Asterisk, sipXecs, and

Asterisk, sipXecs, and FreeSWITCH are all vital in my environment and I don't think I'd trust a hosted style system to do queries on internal databases with sensitive information in them much less store everyone's voicemail. I think cloud based services are all over-hyped. I'd even go so far as to say it's a bubble that will eventually deflate or burst. Trixbox, Asterisk, FreeSWITCH, elastix, sipXecs, etc. etc. etc. Aren't going anywhere any time soon. In fact, judging by sheer volume on the sipX mailing lists, they are growing significantly.

Open source VoIP is finally in it's prime because it's almost caught up with the big proprietary platforms in terms of features, support, reliability, and scalability. With a cloud service you generally have to settle for 3 or less of those qualities

While I think voicemail transcription is nice I don't think it's a necessity.



rehmans
Posts: 376
Member Since:
2007-06-24
What are the addons needed

What are the addons needed for SMS? I want to send to GSM/CDMA. I'd like to implement it without adding any additional hardware (GSM modems etc)

I have googled and I am all bamboozled.

For GoogleVoice Voicemail 2 SMS, I was wondering how are they doing it? Vonage has a similar feature.

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rogermt
Posts: 112
Member Since:
2007-12-19
If we only had a crystal

If we only had a crystal ball rather than guessing at it, it would save us all some typing. I tend to agree with joshpatten. Here are my guesses and opinions:

1) Cloud computing is over-hyped and the over-stated bubble with pop, though admittedly there are some limited situations where it might make sense.

2) In most cases, I wouldn't trust my company's PBX to be hosted by a 3rd party, unless it is a highly distributed environment anyway (ie: everyone works at home), and I could actually go and see the hosting environment. You'd be shocked at what some companies call data centers.

3) Customization, connectivity, and security to databases is a real issue that probably isn't going to be dealt with anytime soon in a hosted environment. Most installations I do are custom enough that a simple "phone system" wouldn't fit the needs. The customization to the organization's needs is the value of the service that I offer, otherwise they could call any schmo to plug a phone in.

4) Google's hosted apps have a few huge barriers: No support; In some cases takes them months to resolve widespread problems that they are aware of (like broken billing interface so you can't renew or log into your account); Their single-sign-on and "intuitive" interfaces seem like they haven't passed the beta testing phase of the useability testers and QA group yet. Ok, enough ranting about that...

5) Regardless of what makes sense, little will change the fact that some people simply want their computer systems sitting in their office - it helps them sleep better at night. Now that the voice system is a PC, it is just another computer sitting with all of the servers, rather than this "thing" that takes up an entire wall that nobody is allowed to go near.

6) I think google voice is much like Skype in the sense that for a year or two, that is all that everyone talked about no matter where you went (even outside the tech circles), and while they have still retained some market share, they haven't put all of the other providers out of business.

7) With most software as a service, it either does what you want it to, or it doesn't. Asterisk was developed based on the idea that you can make it do anything you want, and I see that as a big part of the attraction. See bullet 3 above.



andrew
Posts: 1472
Member Since:
2006-05-30
I just added some of my

I just added some of my thoughts on Cloud Computer to my Dev Blog. Check it out if your interested.



tiggerpaws
Posts: 45
Member Since:
2010-05-11
I like my trixbox so far, it

I like my trixbox so far, it blocks bad callers,
connects to the SIP services I need,
records calls when needed, and I even
got google voice cobbled together, I wish
google voice had regular sip or iax service also.

PS. I am not double posting.



vladislav.zalesak
Posts: 9
Member Since:
2010-07-25
why wiull asterisk survive GVoice?

well, with asterisk, you can connect anything with anything (as long as you can connect it to linux).
-for instance you can call a IVR, tell it to switch on the heating in your house in the middle in the winter and come home into good old 25grades instead 15
-actually anything that can be connected tio and controled from linux can be controlled throu phone
-well you could use internet for that too and SSH or use some web interface but:
*some users are just not just that internet save and calling a number and pressing 1 to get heating up is simplier
*sometimes you only have a cellphone and no internet, only phone signal



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