Getting feet wet but haven't taken the plunge yet, need advice.

rotteneggz
Posts: 3
Member Since:
2008-06-28

Hello,
I dedicated this whole weekend to Asterisk and Trixbox and have learnt alot but am still at a loss as to what i need to do in order to get my trixbox system up and running. A little about what i'm looking to use as a trixbox system: Currently my company has 7 standalone phone lines with no pbx system. We are moving into a bigger location and we plan on having a minimum of 10 phone lines with a trixbox system to Transfer calls between extensions, Have a company IVR for our toll free number, Ability to record phone calls, Easy management through hudlite and the other regular functions like voicemail, voicemail to e-mail... Now i have a few questions i'd like to ask experienced users. I've read alot about how unreliable VOIP is right now. We also had first hand experience as we used voip when we started the company on cordless phones, the quality was horrible and since, we've been using regular PSTN lines. I was wondering if there was a way to cut my long distance charges using SIP or IAX without sacrificing too much quality. I can keep 5 lines as regular PSTN lines and the other 5 through a SIP or IAX provider. The problem is i know nothing about SIP or IAX services and how they work. My other question is regarding the hardware. Would a Dual Xeon 2.x Ghz Rackmount server with 2gb of ram be enough for 10 lines with the ability to expand to maybe 20 one day?
And for FXS and FXO ports, what would be the best way for my PSTN lines to have the functions that where mentioned above. I was thinking 10 Linksys SPA 3102's for each phone. Whould i get the common echo problem even if im using my regular phone service? Or is that just a problem with current VOIP technology?
I need to get all this done with a budget of max 2000$

I'm currently reading through the O'Reilly Asterisk Book and recently ordered the Trixbox book so i plan on deploying a asterisk system for my company with or without VOIP lines.
If i can get maybe a one on one with someone through an instant messaging service like msn to answer any other questions I'd greatly appreciate it and am willing to pay for your time through paypal.

Regards
John Doe



rpotthoff
Posts: 146
Member Since:
2006-12-19
SIP has come a long way in

SIP has come a long way in the past 4 years, Your hardware is good, but I would do a test install first to see if you are going to need any drivers that are not in the tb install, do you have the space for a TDM card(s)? (this is what you will use t for the PSTN lines), how many Analog phones are you going to use if any?

When you are going to look @ Analog card(s) I would look at the Sangoma cards(kinda pricey) they will give you the expandability you are looking for, but of course Digium and Rhino are also the top leaders. If you are worried about echo I would get the cards with hardware echo canceling.

I would also stay away from the Linksys phones and go with Aastra phones as they seem to be the best of the bunch for the price (polycom is a close second(for me anyways).

for the SIP I would look @ vitelity.net they seem to one of the better ITSP's out there( good pricing) and I am sure there are better ITSP's out there I just have not found one(yet).

If you would like to due some testing PM me and I will setup an Ext for you to try out.
I use only SIP with Aastra's 57i, 480i CT and Grandstream's GXP2000 and GXP2020.
(I would not recommended the Grandstream phones as they do not have direct tb support (at least the GXP2020 does not).

Of course this is all just my opinion and I am sure there will be other things that I have over looked that others will pick up on.



bubbapcguy
Posts: 3774
Member Since:
2006-06-02
budget

Echo is a PSTN thing NOT a VOIP thing.
Your $ 2000.00 will not get it. more like 6,000.00 if you penny pinch
10 decent / good IP phones (forget ATA and standard phones) is going to cost you a
$ 1,000.00
a REAL server NOT rack mount as the FXO cards need space will cost you a $1000.00 or so
so folks use a 200.00 system which is NOT a server but a junk desktop box.
Last server I built cost $10,000.00 for the box (dell 6800)

Rollover the PSTN will need to have rollover from your telco and call forwarding on busy so you can forward to your PSTN lines PLUS you will need atleast 5 paths added to your PSTN lines so you can forward the calls to your voip provider.

count on 6 months of testing the system before you go live.
you need to understand the LACK of many things in VOIP world (no SLA is the big one)
if you are not running a box now I suggest you setup a box buy some phones and play around before you go hog wild many deployments do not work out for newbies as they did not understand the flaws/ lack of functions.



SkykingOH
Posts: 9541
Member Since:
2007-12-17
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I dedicated this whole weekend to Asterisk and Trixbox and have learnt alot but am still at a loss as to what i need to do in order to get my trixbox system up and running.

Did you load the software on a computer and try a couple of soft phones? That's the best place to start.

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We are moving into a bigger location and we plan on having a minimum of 10 phone lines

Make sure when they are wiring the building that proper cable is installed. You need tested and terminated Cat5 cable. One drop for the computer and one drop for the phone. If you want to use a single drop you will need to use an even more expensive managed Ethernet switch. I hope you have not included wiring in your budgetary estimate.

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I've read alot about how unreliable VOIP is right now.

VoIP quality is highly dependent on the quality of your Internet connection and other factors. What part of the word are you located in (if US what state?). What type of Internet connection do you have?

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I can keep 5 lines as regular PSTN lines and the other 5 through a SIP or IAX provider.

This is always a great idea. Gives you the best of both worlds.

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The problem is i know nothing about SIP or IAX services and how they work.

It is very simple. You sign up for the service and the provider gives you a login/password and server address, possibly a few more settings. These are programmed into the trixbox. You can then router inbound calls and send whatever call you desire to the 'trunk'.

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And for FXS and FXO ports, what would be the best way for my PSTN lines to have the functions that where mentioned above.

As mentioned you just need to add hunting to the lines you already have. The phone company will then send your inbound calls to the first available line.

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I was thinking 10 Linksys SPA 3102's for each phone. Whould i get the common echo problem even if im using my regular phone service?

The system has software echo cancellation this is sufficient for all but the worst phone lines.

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Would a Dual Xeon 2.x Ghz Rackmount server with 2gb of ram be enough for 10 lines

This is more than enough server. It is also the sweet spot in used servers. Make sure you get a 2U server for expansion slots.

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I need to get all this done with a budget of max 2000$

Do you really need 10 lines? Is everyone going to be on the phone at the same time? If you could get away with 4 phone lines and the rest SIP for overflow you would save some money.

If you could save some money on recurring expenses you could free up more for the initial costs.

Here is a rough budget:

  1. 10 - Aastra 9143i $150/ea = $1500.00
  2. 1 - Used HP DL360 Generation 3 server = $500.00
  3. 1 - Linksys 24 Port PoE switch = $550.00
  4. 1 - UPS = $150.00
  5. Total $2700.00

    Not far off your original budget. This is 1/4 of the price you would pay for an old style "key system" with voice mail.

    You also should budget for consultation with a professional to make sure your installation goes smoothly.

    Good luck....Scott

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



rotteneggz
Posts: 3
Member Since:
2008-06-28
Thanks for all the information :D

Does SIP have call waiting? For Ex: If one of my reps are on the phone while someone calling in gets redirected to "her" phone through the ivr, would she know there was someone on the other line or would it go straight to "her" voicemail?

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how many Analog phones are you going to use if any?

Judging from the responses i got, I think ill spend the 1000-2000$ on some good ip phones instead of the same amount on ATA's.

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10 decent / good IP phones (forget ATA and standard phones) is going to cost you a $ 1,000.00

Can you let me know which phone you speak of? 100$ for a good ip phone is perfect for my budget.

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Rollover the PSTN will need to have rollover from your telco and call forwarding on busy so you can forward to your PSTN lines PLUS you will need atleast 5 paths added to your PSTN lines so you can forward the calls to your voip provider.

Sorry but i didn't quite get what you meant there. Can you please elaborate? Remember i'm just starting to learn all this telephony stuff for the past month or so and testing for the past week.

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Did you load the software on a computer and try a couple of soft phones?

I actually did install trixbox pro on a computer i had lying around and tried to set it up with an SPA 2102 using a voip line i previously had but didn't get too far. I will be signing up with an SIP provider soon to better my testing.

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I hope you have not included wiring in your budgetary estimate.

Nope, but what is a reasonable cost for wiring?

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What part of the word are you located in (if US what state?). What type of Internet connection do you have?

I am located in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. As of now our internet speedtest yeilded:

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As mentioned you just need to add hunting to the lines you already have.

What exactly is hunting?

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Do you really need 10 lines? Is everyone going to be on the phone at the same time? If you could get away with 4 phone lines and the rest SIP for overflow you would save some money.

Right now we have 4 lines that are being used at the same time, so 10 lines in the new location would probably happen in the next few months. What do you mean by 4 phone lines and the rest SIP for overflow?

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Here is a rough budget:
1. 10 - Aastra 9143i $150/ea = $1500.00
2. 1 - Used HP DL360 Generation 3 server = $500.00
3. 1 - Linksys 24 Port PoE switch = $550.00
4. 1 - UPS = $150.00
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6. Total $2700.00

Won't i be needing a digium card for the FXO ports for the PSTN lines?

Also, which version of trixbox would suite my needs best? Should i stick with trixbox pro or upgrade to EE or CCE?
I stumbled upon a thread in this forums talking about PRI's. Is this a viable solution for me?
Thanks

John Doe



SkykingOH
Posts: 9541
Member Since:
2007-12-17
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Does SIP have call waiting? For Ex: If one of my reps are on the phone while someone calling in gets redirected to "her" phone through the ivr, would she know there was someone on the other line or would it go straight to "her" voicemail?

Yes, it's actually better, they will have two buttons on the phone with their extension and be able to 'broker' or switch back and forth between calls. They can even have ad hoc conferences.

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Can you let me know which phone you speak of? 100$ for a good ip phone is perfect for my budget.

Aastra 9133 are your best choice in that price range. The 9143 have been introduced however if you are price sensitive you should be able to get a deal on the 9133. The difference is the 9143 have the ability to run custom applications using XML.

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Sorry but i didn't quite get what you meant there. Can you please elaborate? Remember i'm just starting to learn all this telephony stuff for the past month or so and testing for the past week.

Rollover simply forwards the call to the first open line. It is a service from your phone company.

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Nope, but what is a reasonable cost for wiring?

Depends on the complexity of the building. Between $40US and $100US per drop. You will need to have the wiring installed no matter what system you choose.

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I am located in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. As of now our internet speedtest yeilded:

That is great upload speed. You can easily handle the 5 concurrent SIP calls assuming you do not have heavy upload usage from your users.

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What exactly is hunting?

Hunting and rollover is the same thing.

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Won't i be needing a digium card for the FXO ports for the PSTN lines?

Yes, sorry I forgot to add that.

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Also, which version of trixbox would suite my needs best? Should i stick with trixbox pro or upgrade to EE or CCE?

CE would also do the trick. You should try them all before making a decision.

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I stumbled upon a thread in this forums talking about PRI's. Is this a viable solution for me?

It will probably be twice the recurring cost of the POTS/SIP configuration. Would not hurt to get a quote from a few local providers.

Scott

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



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