What's to become of the trixbox CE project?

vccs
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2008-09-04

I spoke with someone at Fonality a few months ago and had a long discussion about the trixbox CE project. I was told the project would shortly be dis-continued and the team would be focusing on other things. trixbox CE has been a great marketing tool for the Pro versions and from Fonalitys stand point I can understand. There is no revenue in this open source model (other than 3rd party consultants) compared to the Pro versions and they are a for-profit company (go venture capitolism!).
I guess it can also be argued that the cummunity is full of moochers and people complain alot but have nothing to offer themselves but where will this leave the project? With so many flavours of IP-PBX systems now being built and maintained from asterisk it does seem there is a nominal amount of competition. I think with some actual contributers and sponsors no matter what CE could continue as a real open source project with real user contributions. How ever, there should always be official releases with stabalized contributions and agreed upon updates etc, like a board/panel.
I think it is too soon to jump to conclusions but I would be willing to take on support contracts if they got rid of that too :D heh, and a download mirror..

Any thoughts on this? Has anyone else heard much about fonality pulling out of the project?

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mustardman
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All I can say is.....if Trix

All I can say is.....if Trix CE v2.8 is an indicator then you have your answer.



antidelldude
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Why mustardman... are you

Why mustardman... are you saying tbce2.8 is buggy, and shouldn't have been released in such a way?

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kerryg
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vccs, unless you can name

vccs, unless you can name the person at Fonality who told you that then it doesn't hold any weight. I heard the same thing from people all the time when I worked there and it was just salespeople trying to keep people from using CE and to buy the Pro version.

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andrew
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vccs, You seem to be running

vccs,
You seem to be running a hosting company that sells hosted trixbox system. What do you have to gain by spreading FUD about the project. If someone at Fonality really told you that please PM me who it is and I'll contact them.



mustardman
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anti, Where do you want me

anti,

Where do you want me to start.

The outdated freepbx fork
CDR not working
php errors on the dashboard page
outdated Asterisk
No real way to update anything independent of Trixbox without breaking EVERYTHING. As opposed to every other distribution out there.
No 64bit distribution as opposed to every other distribution.



kerryg
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Mustardman, Unfortunately

Mustardman,
Unfortunately I have to agree with most everything except the 64bit version. Since Asterisk doesn't gain much of anything in 64bit, I don't see the point. That being said, its pretty hard to roll out production systems based on the current builds.

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antidelldude
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I hope you got out of that

@Mustardman
I hope you got out of that post that I was being sarcastic. I'd agree with everything you said and still use trixbox 2.6.2.3. I'd like to add one more thing to the list, no Hud3 option, purchased or free for trixbox 2.8 ce. Yes, isymphony is great but $600+ for 6 people, imo, is a little steep for a small phone system. And the open source astmonitor and not so open fop2 are too clunky for small office use on everyone's pc's.

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mustardman
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I have not done any side by

I have not done any side by side comparisons. All I know is 64bit Freepbx/Asterisk runs beautifully! I see no reason NOT to go 64bit other than the fact it represents change from the status quo. Everything is going 64bit and if it works I see no reason to not to just jump right in. Only thing is 64bit Apache/Mysql uses a bit more memory. It's quite negligible though and memory is not really an issue at todays sizes/prices anyways.

Depending on what you are doing there could be some significant performance improvements based on some of the reports I have read around the googleweb.



andrew
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2006-05-30
Haveing a 64bit version is

Haveing a 64bit version is double the QA work. There are small differences between 32 and 64 bit so we would have to QA each version. trixbox is a community driven project. I have asked several times if anybody was interested in a 64 bit version and there was little or no interest.



mustardman
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2006-06-18
That is a good point Andrew.

That is a good point Andrew. I am only speaking from the point of view of a user and not the maintainer of a distribution so those things are not an issue for me.

Everyone else has a 32bit and 64bit version and they don't seem to have any problems juggling the 2. No doubt there are probably some differences between the 2 that require more time and effort to deal with. I don't make my own RPM's but compiling from scratch I don't have any issues whatsoever between the 2. I only have 1 install procedure and it works exactly the same regardless of whether I use 32 or 64bit.



cougarmast
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2007-02-05
Got to agree with mustardman

I think the next step forward is to go 64bit as that's where most development will take place. As for asterisk not gaining anything from 64bit maybe true, but everything else will run more efficiently and more and more drivers are being ported. Though it may not be evident in the present but surely it will be in the very near future.



kspare
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2007-02-16
64 bit aside, it would be

64 bit aside, it would be nice for andrew to address the rest of the problems with trixbox. It's pretty hard to donate to a project, er community project as andrew states where the community has no say in what goes on.

You say you asked for input into a 64bit version you got none so you left it alone, but really. as if you care. the community as a whole was completely against the freepbx fork and you went ahead anyway. Now you have a trixbox that can't even provide a proper working backup out of the box. But Andrew and Fonality choose to ignore this.

You want to win some people back, ditch you pathetic attempt at a fork and put freepbx back.

I will however give some props where they are due in that trixbox is trying to forge ahead with asterisk 1.6. this is a good thing.

However at this point, the only advantage trixbox really has over the competition is the endpoint manager. Otherwise dists like elastix blow it out of the water with support and progressiveness.

IE. Is dahdi and libpri updated yet to fix the issues with the D channels? Probably not.



mustardman
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2006-06-18
If there are any issues with

If there are any issues with missing things in 64bit CentOS vs 32bit I am not aware of them. 64bit is one thing Linux is ahead of compared to Winbloz. There are things available on 64bit Linux that are not yet available on 64bit Winbloz like Java and Adobe Flash. Yes I know you can run Java and Flash on 64bit Winbloz but you have to use a 32bit browser using 32bit Java/Flash to do it. In Linux you can be native 64bit all the way.



cougarmast
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2007-02-05
The end point manager is

The end point manager is very attractive to large scale deployments. For small scale which most people will be using are in the 5-10 phones range is more of a luxury fucntion than a really needed one. Usually in one location but of course it will change in future where pda or mobile phones will become more efficeient and smarter. But that future doesnt seem to be so far away with so much going on in low powered chipsets like the TI's omap series cpus. Anyway I think trixbox really need to wake up and start to reopen their doors than trying to be a wannabe apple dreamer.



andrew
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2006-05-30
This is starting to turn

This is starting to turn into an unproductive thread. I'm going to address a few of the issues brought up here then I'm not going to post to this thread anymore.

1. 64-bit version - It doesn't make sense to build a 64 bit version. Testing has shown that you get 0 performance gain from it in telephony applications. I realize that other distros are doing it and I'm not sure why. You need to maintain two build machines and two completely separate QA processes. Maybe this is why distros like Elastix haven't gone to Asterisk 1.6 yet. They have been busy building a 64 bit version instead. I asked the trixbox community to prioritize what they wanted and Asterisk 1.6 was much higher than a 64 bit version. We have limited resources and we can only handle so much at once. I also realize that 64 bit is the future. Now with small Atom boxes supporting 64 bit I hope it's not long before CentOS drops 32 bit support completely. I would say we are about 2 years away from that now. At that point trixbox will drop 32-bit support and go to 64-bit for everything.

2. FreePBX fork - This has been hashed over many, many, many times in other threads. The result is we need control over FreePBX upgrades and we need to be able to make changes to FreePBX code to support things like the EndPoint manager. We are not the only distro that does this Elastix also has their own fork of FreePBX. It just makes sense. We have our own fork of Asterisk and our own fork of the Linux kernel. We need all these to provide the features and stability that trixbox users want.

3. Backup - A comprehensive backup system was the most requested feature by the trixbox community that last time I asked. We have been spending about 80% of our resources for the past few months creating one. A Beta will be out shortly.

Please try to keep this forum productive. "trixbox sucks" psots don't really help anybody. trixbox is a free product used and support by the trixbox community. If you don't like something in trixbox please post constructive criticism as to what you would like to see changed and why. If you find a problem with trixbox please post a bug report so we can resolve it.

We have had about 50,000 download of trixbnox 2.8 and for the most part things seem to be going smoothly. After we finish the backup system I'll start a new thread where we can discuss what features we want in the next version of trixbox.



vccs
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2008-09-04
Well thats not really what

Well thats not really what I'm set out to accomplish but to be fair, it was a sales person and we were discussing differences in the software versions. The project will continue as far as staff knows? I wanted to see if we could drum up actual community support to insure the project continues. If trixbox has any asks maybe they could voice those as well, we can do a download mirror , bug testing, or donate some cash if and when we can. Kerry, I guess the Fonality people are in tune with the trixbox people?

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vccs
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2008-09-04
Andrew, I have nothing to

Andrew, I have nothing to gain, infact the opposite. It really was bugging me the last few months so I made my post about it. I love trixbox and I don't even bother with the alternatives. Glad to hear it sounds un-founded.

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