Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

jdetar
Posts: 17
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2006-05-31

We've been getting into the world of * for a few months now and have found the benefits of a remotely hosted PBX solution is what a lot of our associates are starting to do, and all the benefits of such are very good.

Now, we have decided to undertake this task instead of outsourcing to another company (Ie: btnaccess) so we have full control over the PBX and relationships. It's been a patience trying situation as we have had problems at least 2-3x/week with the VOIP providers. Having the * box remotely hosted in a Data Center gives you very high quality reliability as far as our server is concerned, and gobs of bandwidth, but it makes us completely reliant upon VOIP.

What are you doing with your business to make this a success? Do you have multiple * boxes so you have a combination of POTS & VOIP providers? Or do you host everything in-house to begin with? Do you not do VOIP at all and just do POTS?

I'm curious to hear how others are doing it as I'm sure we've all gone through a lot of the same problems. At the moment I'm thinking of just keeping a few POTS lines around for failovers, but am not sure if I should go all out and build a second * box at the office to link with the primary for full integration.



DrBlack
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2006-06-23
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

It really depends on the situation. What equipment do you have onsite. Do you have a normal PBX and Normal Phones or do you have IP Phones? One solution is to have a hosted * at a Datacenter connected to a Adtran at your site. The Adtran could connect via pots lines into your PBX. You could leave some of the lines into the PBX as normal lines from the telco if you want in case your internet goes down. The advantage to this solution is as you open up multiple branch locations you don't need to worry about obtaining multiple * servers.

I perfer to have a single highly available Asterisk server (Raid, Redundant Power etc.) I use multiple VoIP Providers for outgoing, and a reliable VoIP provider for incoming. I keep PSTN lines for faxing. Some offices have all IP phones, some an Adtran connected to their POTs PBX.

-Dr.B



jdetar
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2006-05-31
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Could you explain a little more details about the Adtran? Right now we're fairly small as far as the phone networks are concerned. We just have various POTS and VOIP lines, and now the * box at the Data Center doing most of the work. We personally are going to be switching completely to * and VOIP, with cell-phone failovers, but I have some other sites that we're setting up that are a bit larger than ours (ie: 30 seats or so).

For those companies it doesn't seem to make sense to only have a remotely hosted PBX and nothing inside the main building as so much traffic and reliability is resting on that server. All those in-house calls have to go out to the * box and back at the Data Center. Also for local calls it would seem to make sense to use local trunks as there's no per minute charges. This is of course assuming these sites have an existing PBX looking to upgrade to *



DrBlack
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2006-06-23
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Well one of our locations has a Nortel PBX and about 25 POTs phones. At that location we use a Adtran Total Access 608, which is a ADSL2+ router that has 8 FXS ports. We connect the 8 fxs ports to the Nortel. The Adtran connects to the centrally hosted Asterisk server via the ADSL2+ SIP connection (Full Duplex). These Adtrans come in many different varieties, ADSL, T1 and different FXS configurations 4 port or 8.

I agree with you, with 30 seats you are going to need some kind of PBX on site.

Our ISP provides us unlimited incoming and outgoing local calling for 10 dollars per DID (Only because we buy bandwidth from them also). We use a few 1.1 cent providers for outgoing long distance. Using local trunks for incoming is option we considered, however we figured it is cheaper to just go all VoIP. The Extra reduntancy would be the deciding factor and in the end, the Boss wanted to save money.

Could you tell me about your cell-phone failovers?

-Dr.B



jdetar
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2006-05-31
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Hrm! So it sounds like the Adtran is the way to go for being the network router, and linking the two systems together. Do you then use SIP phones? Or keep the old infrastructure in place and they just route through the * box "behind the scenes." And then all inbound routes go through the Asterisk box to the Adtran for additional routing then? I'm just curious if you can do that with or without SIP phones, or does it not matter.

All of our calls are actually call queue's instead of going to extensions. So, for example, let's say you tell your customers you're extension 100 and they dial into the system and when the IVR picks up they hit 100, it actually drops them into a personal call queue which we configure to ring a set of extensions, and then ultimately a cell phone. It's also nice because we can do the backend all we want because technically the "100 extension" from the main menu is just a menu option, we don't have extension dialing enabled. So when the office Internet is down the person just sits in the call queue a few extra seconds for the call to go to a cell phone instead.

This works well for us as our * box is in the Data Center, so we don't have any normal outages there. But the office is a cable modem so it's questionable at times. :)



DrBlack
Posts: 26
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2006-06-23
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

At that location I just keep the old Infrastructure in place. The only device at that site that uses SIP is the adtran itself. Yes all inbound calls go through the asterisk to the adtran then to the Nortel PBX. I didn't have to make any major changes changes at that site, just installed the Adtran. Doesn't matter if you have SIP phones or not.

Very cool, though I would drop the cable modem and go ADSL2+ (If you are near the Central Office) Full Duplex lots of bandwidth and it's very cheap. Least in my area (Michigan, USA) your results may me different though.

Cheers
Dr.B



rmclaren
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Member Since:
2006-06-01
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

As a small-to-medium business, we have also been struggling with connecting Asterisk to a legacy PBX. As a starting point, and at its simplest, if we can output FXS, then we only need the equivalent of an FXO connection on the legacy PBX to achieve integration. Is this correct?

If the Asterisk server is on the LAN, could we start with Digium's Asterisk Developer's Kit Retail Package (Wildcard TDM400P, 1 FXS module, and 1 FXO module)? Assuming that we are able to connect the Wildcard FXS to an FXO on the legacy PBX, will we be able to accept a VOIP call on the PBX and route a call from the PBX over VOIP?



RoadKill
Posts: 233
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2006-05-31
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Hi,

one thing you have to remember, in the big picture cost is less importens that relairibility.
so that is way meny companys only use VoIP internaly and PSTN externaly.
the main reason is that the PSTN company must be albe to provide service during power failuer and, it is normal posible to pay for 24/365 fast repair service.
An other factor is that unfortional some VoIP providers have problem delivering (98% or lower), try ask your boss what you will lose if the phones is out for 2-5 days each year

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Mark Petersen

ISDN: Billion HFC, OctoBRI HFC-8
SIP: Snom 3X0, Snom820, Cisco 7941, Linksys PAP2, PerfecTone IP-300
DECT: KWS 600v3, KWS 300
Asterisk: 1.2, 1.4, 1.6.0, 1.6.1 (150 servers)



DrBlack
Posts: 26
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2006-06-23
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Yeah that will work. Or if you have alot of FXO ports on your PBX (Like we do at some of our locations) then the Adtran I talked about earlier would work very well.



DanyBoy00
Posts: 61
Member Since:
2006-05-31
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

What VoIP Providers are you currently using and having problems with? Maybe we can recommend some better ones which could minimize issues.



RoadKill
Posts: 233
Member Since:
2006-05-31
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Well, I'm my own provider.

but I'm referring to some of the earlier posts, and from news posting, that not all VoIP providers are created equal.
and I specially referring to the legislation part of it.

A regular PSTN provider has some very strict role's he has to pass, like carrier grade HW, power backup. many VoIP providers just use normal PC and a small UPS (15m-1h) rely on cheap Internet connections. (proven technology / experimenting)
Well there is a reason beside greed, way they are cheaper

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Mark Petersen

ISDN: Billion HFC, OctoBRI HFC-8
SIP: Snom 3X0, Snom820, Cisco 7941, Linksys PAP2, PerfecTone IP-300
DECT: KWS 600v3, KWS 300
Asterisk: 1.2, 1.4, 1.6.0, 1.6.1 (150 servers)



DrBlack
Posts: 26
Member Since:
2006-06-23
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

I agree, however I don't see why they would do it myself. If you are using Asterisk your software is free. Why skimp on the hardware? Even if you build a 1U Intel Platform Server with a redundant PS and drives, you are still under $1,600.00. Granted there are some other costs such as a good QoS router or digium card, and as you mentioned a good UPS. But still, traditional PBX's cost much more and do much less.

-DrB



pdecker
Posts: 4
Member Since:
2006-06-07
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

I work for a business telecommunications company. We install PBX's. We have yet to install an Asterisk PBX for our customers but...

I would lean toward an Asterisk PBX at each location with POTS lines for each location. You could then put an IAX trunk to run between locations for intercom calling and also take advantage of each others local calling areas. That way you would save you long distance and have each office independent of problems at other locations.

A question mark in my mind would be the way the voicemail and Outlook integration would work with these multiple locations. I haven't really thought about that very much. In the traditional PBX world there would typically be a centralized voicemail and probably no Outlook integration, so that's some new ground for me. :-?



mismanccc
Posts: 49
Member Since:
2006-06-05
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

This is exactly what we're doing.

I work for a company with about 50 employees. We have our Head-office in Milwaukee, and 4 branch offices around Wisconsin and Illinois, all connected to each-other over a 384Kbps MPLS WAN.

Each office has POTS lines for incoming calls and a T1 for the main office, as well as a fairly fault-tolerant Dell 1800 server running A@H (I'll be upgrading to Trixbox soon). All of the phones run off of PoE switches, which are plugged into a UPS, along with the phone-server and WAN Router.

As soon as I get QoS working properly on my WAN routers, I'll be setting up IAX2 trunks between the offices.

We are not going to try setting up one monolithic voicemial server across all branches. We're happy with it being stored on the local servers. I haven't set up the Outlook integration yet either, but we're getting ready to shop around for a real CRM package soon, so it may be a moot-point anyway.

Jared Liebl
MIS Manager
Climatic Contol Company

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Jared Liebl
MIS Manager
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wvroger
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2006-06-02
Re: Small to medium sized business, how do you do your Asterisk?

Are you going to use IAX or Dundi for your inter-office calls? Let me know how it works for you...i too am gettin ready to move 2 more remote offices to Trixbox

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